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Posted On: 08/01/2013 at 02:17 AM

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Seems SLI is in (reports yesterday of gains with the newest Nvidia beta drivers as well), and CrossFire is still in development:

" The benchmark software is compatible with SLI for NVIDIA graphics cards. Furthermore, CrossFire for AMD graphics cards will be supported when updated drivers are made available. A separate announcement will be made regarding driver updates."

Source (1.0 Lodestone).

 

Addendum: As it was with the Beta Phase 3 client, AMD owners can still achieve unomptimized CrossFire support with this benchmark, despite a new driver set not being available as of this posting.

Just use "Optimize 1x1" as your CrossFire mode.

Last Edited on: 08/03/2013 at 06:33 AM
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Replied On: 08/01/2013 at 03:07 AM PDT

Wow, what a massive increase from the old benchmark. Well done to SE devs!

 

 

Old benchmark score for comparison.

 

Now for AMD to give me my CrossFire drivers! ^_^;



» Edited on: 2013-08-01 07:59:07

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Nice score!  I'm pretty happy with my 7245 for my 2 year old, super-power-economy system @ 1920x1080.

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Replied On: 08/01/2013 at 06:03 AM PDT
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New NVIDIA Beta drivers and new benchmark. 3541 on maximum and was getting 3000 on High setting with the last benchmark. Huge difference.

 

Now I just need a new CPU =p

 

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Replied On: 08/01/2013 at 07:37 AM PDT
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Thank you kindly. Downloading it now.

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Gorad
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Replied On: 08/01/2013 at 07:56 AM PDT

 Final Fantasy Score

I think with the last one i was getting like 5000ish

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Replied On: 08/01/2013 at 10:05 AM PDT
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Hit over 13k with maximum settings yet still was sitting on avg 30/35 fps. Sad. Funny thing is I get almost the same benchmark score at "standard desktop" [windowed fullscreen] but my avg fps jump to 70 (lows of 50, highs of 110s).

I'll be playing with standard and a few tweaks - looks great and still get 60+ fps.

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Replied On: 08/01/2013 at 10:13 AM PDT
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Hah, I ran it a second time to be sure, reset my settings to max again, and my benchmark dropped from 13k to 6k. Buggy much? I had a feeling the jump from 5k to 13k was too good to be true, especially since my fps didn't change.

 

With a customized character also.



» Edited on: 2013-08-01 10:13:54

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Replied On: 08/01/2013 at 11:17 AM PDT
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I lost a lot of score from the last one, I can't break 3k now. :( *unhappy*

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Replied On: 08/01/2013 at 06:05 PM PDT
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I went with desktop high for the test and got 4719.  Then I made characters of course!

Don't mess with Mama Bear, I might hug you too tight. =D
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Replied On: 08/01/2013 at 07:16 PM PDT
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noticing a significant difference in my scores as well, ran the below about 5 mins ago.

 

the thing that's nice is it feels more smooth this time around, both with and without SLI - I feel like the client's going to be well optimized, the previous benchmarks were pushing 8K hard, this time around 11.5K nearly is more than enough to make me happy.

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Gibsauce
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Replied On: 08/01/2013 at 07:48 PM PDT

Great sig Shmi! :D

 

Ya Aalwein, I would certainly give more weight to the average FPS the bench shoots out, rather than the score.

After making the following changes, my score plummets to 7384; though my FPS is almost right on the money for what I'm after (60FPS) for my native resolution (2560x1600):

  • Start with Maximum settings.
  • Occlusion Culling: On.
  • Use LOD.
  • LOD streaming: On.
  • FXAA: Off.
  • SMAA: On (through drivers).
  • Dynamic Vsync: On (through drivers) - probably why the score plummets so much, as it is likely just a measure of overall FPS, but screen-tearing & extra heat = NO, THANKS!!!

With those settings, my average fps is nearly identical to what I saw from RadeonPro/FRAPS readings in Beta Phase 3 (58FPS), and everything plays out silky smooth.

 

Interesting GPU OC benefits, despite my CPU/Mem bottleneck shenanigans:

Nerd GPU Stats

 

Could probably push it much further given the temps, but I'm happy here (read: I'm scared of melting my rig!  XD ).



» Edited on: 2013-08-03 06:32:38

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Replied On: 08/01/2013 at 10:59 PM PDT

Looks like the minimizing trick wasn't fixed either, in case you want some silly (read: cheated) numbers.

Good for a laugh, at least:

 

Minimize Bench Cheating

"Avg. FPS: 241.873" ...pffft, I wish.

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Replied On: 08/02/2013 at 05:10 AM PDT
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How can I see my FPS while running the benchmark?  (Sorry for the dumb question, but I couldn't figure it out!)



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I'm seeing reports of people with i5s and radeon 5800 seeing scores over 11k and getting 100 fps... so yeah, this benchmark is absolutely unreliable.

 

Lakshmi, you need to run a program while the benchmark is going, it can't do it on it's own. CPU-Z or Fraps, among others, can tell you.

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Gotcha -- thanks Aalwein :)

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I will concur with his "biggest bang for the buck:" Screen Space Ambient Occlusion takes up a ton of resources and provides no discernible difference in graphics, that I can see. Also important to note his comment about anisotropic filtering - if you have a 5000 series Radeon or a GTX-400 series or better graphics card, the filtering is handled on the card so you can crank that up for very little change in framerate. Now if you have onboard video (god help you) or a really old video card, honestly it's just time to upgrade!

I also agree with your comment on the Razer Game Booster, Notch. Don't mess around with processes unless you are really sure about what you are doing. If you really want max performance, shut down your web browser while playing - that takes more system resources than anything else you likely have running (aside from the game, of course). I never trust anything by Razer to begin with (bunch of crappy hardware and even worse drivers, if you ask me), except the Nostromo since that was actually made by Belkin.



» Edited on: 2013-08-02 11:41:41

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Replied On: 08/02/2013 at 05:08 PM PDT

If you don't want to install separate software Shmi, and don't mind waiting until the end for the results, you can also hit the "Save Score" button once the benchmark has completed a run, and it will dump a log into the benchmark's directory with your average FPS (among other relevant info that can be helpful in comparing multiple runs with different settings).

 

As for the benchmarks reliability, I'd have to respectfully disagree and say that in my case, I'm finding it to be a fairly accurate representation of performance (in terms of FPS, not the Score).

When comparing the average FPS in bench logs to the average FPS I had in Beta Phase 3, it's nearly identical (though the benchmark feels slightly more fluid).

The caveat to my disagreement being that I would be wary of comparing your results with other players' as:

  1. There are so many variables to take into account when it comes to client performance (don't think that just because you simply share the same CPU/GPU, you will have the same results).
  2. Knowing people can up their score just by minimizing the benchmark...you are trusting that their scores were gotten fairly (which may very well have not been the case where the internet is involved).

 

I would also very much disagree (again, respectfully) that SSAO provides no discernible difference in graphics, as it adds a graphical level of depth to a scene that is both very noticeable, and very enjoyable for me, both in XIV and many other games. When turned off, objects tend to look very flat by comparison, as if they were simply Photoshopped over a scene, rather than actually occupying it. The effect can be subtle at times, though most times I notice the difference to be quite glaring. However, one thing I will most certainly agree with is that Ambient Occlusion is a massive performance hog for most systems (except Connor with his quad-SLI Titans), and it is one of the first things I recommend turning off for substantial FPS gains in any game that supports it (as we discussed briefly in RaidCall the other day).

 

As with any setting, you will likely have to sacrifice some measure of graphical fidelity for performance gains. Whether you notice the difference or not, or whether you mind the sacrifice or not, comes down to each player - for example: I'll be playing with LOD options enabled. While I can notice the difference with those options off if I specifically look for them, in practice I usually focus so much on the immediate scene that I don't mind losing some detail in distant objects in exchange for the small FPS bump I get - especially when I play with Depth of Field (another "controversial" setting) on in cut scenes (where I would be more likely to notice those missing details, if not for the blur effect). As for Occlusion Culling, I just don't see the point of rendering objects that aren't in my immediate field of view, outside of overclocking/benchmark trials to push your system to its limits. So for actual gaming, that option stays on for me.

 

If the game feels and looks acceptable to you though, that's all that matters in the end (don't let "random internet person #4,739's" score/fps bum you out)!



» Edited on: 2013-08-03 03:18:22

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Benchmarks are a personal tool, not really very useful for sharing and comparing with others, due to everyone having different hardware, software and other processes that affect each machine in a different and unique way.  The sharing and comparing thing is just an epeen deal, kinda like going to a car meet and comparing engine rev roars.  /twirlfinger

I just use the benchmark to test and stress various overclock and graphics quality settings, then I use the score to help me determine if my changes are beneficial or detrimental, because the naked eyeball can only detect about 30 FPS, after that its very hard to discern any changes in framerates or other graphic anomalies.  (ex: the benchmark helped me discover some subtle artifacting issues that resulted from bad overclock settings that I'd been using and had not noticed)

I suggest to just use the BM to tweak your settings to what looks and feels good for you and not worry about all of the other scores.  I just posted my results to show what an older system was capable of, in a normal usage type environment.  (ex: I didn't reboot or shut down any processes and had been playing Dragon's Prophet and some other games all day before I ran my BM.)

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Replied On: 08/03/2013 at 03:08 AM PDT

I have found this thread to be interesting, and the comparisons fun to see. Certainly not "an epeen deal", in my opinion. We are all waiting eagerly for the game to come out, and this kind of fun stuff helps pass the time, and is enjoyable for many of us. If you think we are just doing this for an epeen contest, you're sorely mistaken. Rather, I see it as a group of FFXIV fans discussing a useful tool provided by the devs. No epeen in sight.

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For Izzy and anyone else with a low score, check out this video.  It compares Max and Lowest settings side by side, and you know what?  Lowest is not bad at all!  You lose some details like grass but otherwise the game still looks pretty darn good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZbXhc10iNM

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Replied On: 08/03/2013 at 01:30 PM PDT

Thanks Shmi. My pc needs upgrading as I bought it in 2010....I am nursing it through my final year of this degree.  Hope to buy a new one beginning of 2014. I only got 4616 with a framerate of 30-ish. I am not sure whether both my cards were included for that.  I am going to try it again with the nvidea beta drivers and see what happens.

The quality for me is great, but I am sure it would be better on a newer pc with a badass graphics card and faster everything else... (Gibsauce built, of course!)



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