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Raiding With The Gaiscioch Family

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Foghladha
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Posted On: 06/22/2012 at 09:24 PM
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Greetings Everyone,

We all love the thrill of the hunt, toppling the biggest foes, and the strongest of titans. When you look at our history there is no foe that we can not conquer: Dragons, Titans, Colossi, are created to be killed and many of us live to kill them.

One problem a lot of people have when joining the family is seeing the difference from being a "Raiding Guild" to being a "Family that Raids". We are casual in nature, friendly before all else. Our biggest upside is also our greatest downside. Being casual friendly and more laid back than most causes people to flock to us.

There are several types of players. The ones we want to keep and hold onto are those that put family above loot.  People that put shared victory over personal victory. Ones that can put their ego aside and work as a unit member for the betterment of the whole.

Getting Involved

Joining a Gaiscioch Raid Group takes persistence. While most "Guilds" are built around 1 solitary raid group, our family has multiple going at the same time. Balancing personnel, lockout timers, and availability of people to lead such activities is not an easy task. While we have a handful of people who can lead, we have hundreds that want to participate. Just like trying to pour a gallon of water into a pint size glass not all will fit into the glass. We have to empty the glass before we can pour more in.

That said getting involved in Raiding activities can try your patience. If you need to be in a raid now and that's why you joined, then you might want to find a guild that can meet your needs because you will likely be frustrated. But chances are if you're that type of person you would have never read this far down the page. So if you are a person of patience, to get involed there are a few steps you can take to ensure that you are on the forefront of our raid leaders minds.

  • Mark Your Availability. Find an Event on the Family Calendar and mark yourself as available to attend. Signing up on the calendar does not mean you are in the raid.

  • Make contact with the Raid leader. Don't be the guy that waits for the girl to ask you out. Take initiative and go talk to them. They are nice and they can give you the situation. There are only 20 spots in a raid group and certain spots have to be filled by certain classes and builds. Only a Raid Leader or Warlord can tell you what they need and what they need may change from week to week.

  • Be Available At The Start of the Raid. When I say be available this doesn't mean be in a warfront, or be finishing an expert, this means be ready to grab your stuff and go the second they have room. You are fighting for a seat at a 20 chair table and there are over 140 people trying to sit at that same table.

  • Be Patient. You can't always be the one that gets to go. Raid Groups take synergy to maintain. There will be staples that attend every week that will be the core united front. They will learn how each other acts, thinks, and reacts. No team is built overnight. It takes time and discipline to be able to overcome some of these challenges.

  • Be Persistent. Just because you didn't get into one raid doesn't mean you should give up. Try again. Try other raids. Try hanging out with the Raid Leader when they aren't leading. Show them what you can do. If at first you don't succeed try try again.

In the end we want to try to get everyone into these dungeons and events but it will take time and patience. Realize that our Raid Leaders can only run 1 raid a week. That raid can only have 20 people. We have only a few raid leaders which means only a few will be able to go. We have an overwhelming amount of people that want to go and not enough room to fit everyone. IF HOWEVER you want to learn the fight so you too can stand up and lead please approach one of our leaders and express your interest in learning the mechanics.

Unlike most "Guilds" our Raid Groups share knowledge. This isn't a race or a battle of who's raid is better. We are a collaborative effort built around building community and friendships. We will be more than happy to teach people the ropes if they want to stand and lead. But we need to know you have the initiative and desire to do so.

Raiding Loot Rules

The way loot works in the Gaiscioch Family is that each Raid Leader sets their own rules. If their rules suck, they don't get participants, they don't earn tokens of valor and they don't get the victories they need to join the Halls of Warlords.

A leader is only as successful as their plan, and their plan includes reward. Each leader is in charge of setting their own structure and making sure they have the right tools for the fight.

The Raid Leader should make their loot rules available before the raid begins both in game and on these forums. If at any time you are unclear what these rules are please ask nicely.

Group Makeup and Attendance

The Gaiscioch family is community focused and as such we highly encourage our Raid Leaders to involve members who are NOT Gaiscioch or Tuatha. While other guilds focus inward on their own advancement, ours is focused on the advancement of all. This may not be what you're used too but we also do not recruit by words. We recruit by action. The only way we get people to join the family is by showing them who we are and what we do. This said it is not only perfectly acceptable for our Raid Leaders to invite members outside the general family and extended alliance, but it is expected.

Group makeups can require certain builds, certain specs, and certain playstyles. It is up to each raid leader to build their own group, unify their team, and bring success to their endeavors. They may involve players from other guilds in their plans to help gain an edge on the battlefield and this is common practice. We know that there are many who are in our family wanting to raid but you simply can't have 20 mages in a raid group and successfully take down a boss. You need a mix of classes and skillsets to be able to bring forth victory and sometimes you need experienced players who have been down that road before.

Conduct

  • If you at any time are rude or disrespectful to a Raid Leader you will be excused from raiding activities all together and put on the no fly list.

  • Raid Leaders reserve the right to admit or deny any players access to a Raiding Activity based on class requirements, builds, or personality conflict.

  • If at any time you insult another member of the family or lash out at another member of the raid you will be excused from the raiding event and a warning will be issued. Upon second offense you will be removed from the family all together. Remember Blades Out, Not In

In Closing

Please realize that we have way more participants than we have people to lead. We do our best to accommodate as many as we can but we can not possibly get everyone in every week. Be patient and please be kind to those that lead.

We want to involve those who are in it for the family, who can see past their own personal gain and reach for the betterment of the family. If you prefer a more aggressive progression raid I highly encourage you to look elsewhere as that is not how we operate.

If I did not say it before, be patient. Victory comes through learning. Learning is best taught through defeat. Sometimes you have to lose a hundred times to win. That is the natural flow of things. Remember it's those challenges that are just out of reach and seem impossible that are the ones you remember. Work together and stand united both in lose and in victory and you will thrive in the Gaiscioch raiding community.



» Edited on: 2012-06-23 14:19:11

"It's not the loot and accolades you walk away with, it's the memories and friendships that you cherish forever." - Foghladha
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Caomhnoir de na Fhiaigh Corcra
DufRaven
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Replied On: 06/22/2012 at 09:24 PM PDT

Agree 100% Fog and thank you for Taking the time to post this

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Replied On: 06/22/2012 at 09:24 PM PDT

Very well put together Fog! I agree with everything that you have posted here! As for raid spots. In my raids I always do first come first serve basis. Even if someone is always in my raids and they miss the guild chat for invites and I am full then they loose out. Remember everyone, Raiding here is fun and should remain fun. If at any point you find yourself not having fun or becoming to frustrated take a few steps back, look at the bigger picture and if you cant get back into the mood then excuse yourself for the raid. It usually isn't hard to find a replacement. I would rather have nine or nineteen other happy raiders than have someone who is unhappy with how the raid is going! One the whole raiding here in Gaiscioch has and will remain a fun and enjoyable time! Cheers and thanks for all the great info and time you put into writing this for us Fog!

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Replied On: 06/23/2012 at 09:24 PM PDT
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Well put because it is a reiteration of our family values and rules for everything we do. =) It hasn't changed in years because it works. Be sure to enjoy the game and understand we are all part of a large team, a family. We can't always get right into the smaller teams of the family exactly when we want, but there are plenty of opportunities to get to know the family and get into teams over time that work for us and the whole. My signature says I'm the Mama Bear of Defiant which is based on an old joke from last winter, but you mess with my family you will see where that came from. ;) The last thing I want to do, but have unfortunately had to do, is act like the mama bear whose cubs are being messed with or have become unruly in turn.

Don't mess with Mama Bear, I might hug you too tight. =D
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Selrina
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Replied On: 06/23/2012 at 09:24 PM PDT

Great post Fog. It leaves no room for confusion.

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Replied On: 06/23/2012 at 09:24 PM PDT

Very good post. I'm a causual mostly PVE player that does dungeons occassionally. The leaders and those in the raid have been very patient with me even though I don't have a lot of experience. So those that are hesitent to raid stick with it. We have great leaders that are patient and will help you out if you have questions ask. As Fog said, "Stick it out." We are a family and this is a family that I will stick with as long as I'm able to game! <3 you guys and gals. @Briseadh I told my 16 year old daughter your sig line and I got the "Eyeroll" from H-E-double hockey pucks! Haha

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Replied On: 06/23/2012 at 09:24 PM PDT

Well written and I completely agree. Somewhere in all this, common sense has to kick in on the part of prospective participants.....

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Malle
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Replied On: 06/23/2012 at 09:24 PM PDT

i agree. some of the very finest RLs i have run w/ in MMOs are the family's RLs. please be patient and you will have a very nice raiding experience. more leaders are in the making, no doubt. in the meantime, be the change you want to experience! organized random experts. organize daily raid rifts. if you're not an organizer, seek out fellow guildies and participate w/ them. thank you, fog for this post, Rox/malle

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Seacoral
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Replied On: 06/23/2012 at 09:24 PM PDT

Fog I totally agree with your post and thank you for posting this, I believe this will help new and old members understand the raiding process. Thanks again

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Replied On: 06/23/2012 at 09:24 PM PDT
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+1. While most of my groups are pre-built, I can't count the number of times that I've sent out invites and not had people there- even some of my "standard" members. When that happens, I go to the people who signed up on the site, and then to /g. It always surprises me when I see the list of people who sign up- and then are nowhere to be found. A lot of times, I'm looking for something specific, too- healers, a plant tank, DPS... You get the idea. I'm sorry, but if you're playing a rogue and I need healers, I'm not going to invite you. Same thing to mages when I need a tank- or a healer and you don't have/refuse to play chloro. That's how it goes.

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Replied On: 06/23/2012 at 09:24 PM PDT

Thanks for this post, Fog. I do not know if it has anything to do with the confusion over the HK raid on Friday afternoon but I think it's safe to assume they are connected. I can say with absolute sincerity that I agree on all the key points you've made. However, to settle the 'issue' a few of us faced at that particular time; we felt that it was unfair - having signed up on the website - that the raid leader did not make it clear the run would begin 20 minutes earlier than scheduled. Furthermore, no announcement was made in guild chat that invites would be going out. It seems certain members of the guild simply did not get the chance to be invited as the raid had 'ninja' formed and entered the instance well before scheduled time. I believe all players ought to conduct themselves with integrity, courtesy and patience but I also believe raid leaders should not be excused from conducting themselves (and their raids) in the same fashion. It isn't nice to come online for a 'family' scheduled raid to find that not only does the raid leader not believe his conduct was a little askew but also be told that if we didn't like it, we should 'start your [our] own raid.' It's been a great 9 months. We have met and said goodbye to many friends, shared many adventures and overcome many foes. Truly, with no personal ill-feelings towards the guild or any individual within the guild, Elaris and myself felt that our time with Gaiscioch had come to an end. We only wish that it could have been on a lighter key. Hopefully no one harbors any animosity towards us due to this parting of ways. We hope to see many of our friends on our future adventures in Telara and beyond.

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Malle
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Replied On: 06/23/2012 at 09:24 PM PDT

@Willrei - the door is always open to you both if you ever wish to come back either in Rift or in GW2. just something to think about... pleasant journeys in game and outside of game :)

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Replied On: 06/23/2012 at 09:24 PM PDT

@ Willrei In all fairness to the raid leader he did and does announce 30 minutes and 15 minutes before invites at 7:15 invites go out to people who are not already in his raid group. There are those are considered Core members and those who are reserved. But it also goes down to 20 slots and if 10 of 1 class sign up or 30+ people show up people are going to be left behind. I've been left out abit being a dime a dozen rogue and I decided to become more flexable with my specs and become known to people leading the raids I was interested in attending. I'm also on early and send tells to raid leaders I am online and available if needed. I've also dropped outta raids for people to attend. But I am sorry to have seen you and Elaris go under these circumstances and wish you both the best.

» Edited on: 2012-06-23 19:42:49

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Replied On: 06/24/2012 at 09:24 PM PDT

thank you for taking the time to say this Fog, and I totally agree with everything. Please be kind to people, not everyone is as good as you are, whoever "you" are. Kindness means so much to people.

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Replied On: 06/25/2012 at 09:24 PM PDT
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Well said. I know that there is a frustration on D-side that we would like to raid, but its still in a ground-up building process. I'd like to let all other Defiant know that, while I haven't had a lot of time online with the family to run dungeons and raids, I do know my way around a fair few. I have a less than ideal computer which makes it frustrating, but for what its worth, I'm more than happy to make the runs and help others get to that place where we are on par with G-side in raids and whatever else. I always reply to tells if I am at the keyboard.

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Replied On: 08/19/2012 at 09:24 PM PDT
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Great words, Fog. A toast for the General!

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Replied On: 09/24/2012 at 09:24 PM PDT

With the amount of raiding taking place again, I feel this thread needed a bump.

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Replied On: 01/23/2013 at 09:24 PM PDT

Good Information! However, it would be nice if we could get some events on the Calendar for new playes, to have the oportunity to do some raids. Vaygrent's SL 101 is very good for this and it would be great to have more like it. Thanks

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Replied On: 02/13/2013 at 09:24 PM PDT

This is Miraj. I am usually on during the day and when off from work I am on most of the day/night. You want to run specific dungeons/experts whisper me. I will be more than happy to assist as DPS or tank. Whatever the role or need calls for. As someone who has been there, I understand. I also have a few low level characters that I can use to assist if it needs be.

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