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SL crafting costs

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Akkmed
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Posted On: 01/04/2013 at 06:34 PM
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I am makin this post to bring the subject up and to start a discussion on SL costs. The problem I am having is that vast majority of the SL recipies cost 12p-15p to make in actual spent plat to vendor for mats, some cost considerable higher, for example a purple seal takes 20 special mats (superalloy, hardened madrosa, etc) that have a vendor cost of 3x 4.2 plat ea(magical oil, ethereal flux, etc) thats 240 plat in vendor mats plus 8 active flux at 3p ea, another 24, for a total of 264p out of the crafters pocket. this does not take into account actual foraged and dropped mats. i am currently workin on makin 3 stellar keen augments to fill MP orders, takes about 3 mauls to break for mats for each augment, while i did order al the mats for this on MP, i still have to spend 12p on flux for each maul , so 36p out of my pocket per augment again. Each, so another 100p in vendor mats to make MP orders. I bring this up not to cxomplain, but to start a discussion, i began SL with 3500 plat, and got down to 600p both makin stuff for me and levellin crafting, but also steadily draining from fillin MP orders, i have done 50k in vault credits in last 6weeks, that reflects how much i have made for guildies, and figure 12-15p each item, easily 500+ total. this isnt a complaint, i wouldnt fill orders if the plat meant that much, it doesnt, but the drain does make an impact on my ability to fill orders as many, or quickly as i would like to. In classic the only mat that cost more than a few pennies to make was the stuff from cooldowns, and they were 9p ea, and most used about 5, so in classic i would occasionally drop 50p to make something and most of the time the guildies would gather those mats themselves and then ask crafters to combine the recipies for item, so it was in general fairly painless to craft as much as possible as often as you wanted. i would myself toss out a suggestion that members can order the expensive mats like superalloy from MP and gather the stuff up so a crafter can combine it. that way everyone spreads cost around, and also to have a note on items for the actual out of pocket cost for anything over 10p so players know and can offer to contribute to the crafter if they are able, but not required.

sorry its a bit long winded, but the subject has been coming up more now that major catalyts are availiable and the ability to make seals is directly connected to ability to pay for them instead of availiablity of mats

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Curadh de na Faolchu Donn
Slyluck
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Replied On: 01/04/2013 at 08:02 PM PST

I definitely agree that most people do not have a clue on the cost of making the high end items. I craft a lot and even I was unaware on some of the higher end stuff. I think that some of the negative comments from guild chat when costs to buy these items are brought up would vanish if people actually understood how much it took to make these items. Thanks for your contributions to the guild Akkmed! It is much appreciated

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Elegance
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Replied On: 01/05/2013 at 12:09 AM PST
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Indeed, that is why I as a crafter myself have been choosing to provide the mats as far as possible to make it easier on the crafter. Maybe an option for the "orderer" to provide the vendor bought material?

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Curadh de na Sailetheach
terela
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Replied On: 01/05/2013 at 04:51 PM PST

I, too, have contributed to the cost of some of the items I have requested. When it says mats provided by person requesting the item, that means all the mats to me, including the items that have to be bought from the trainer. There has been several conversations in gchat lately about getting all the recipes and mats listed on the market place. When this is completed, it will much easier for me to provide mats when making a request.

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Caomhnoir de na Capall Bán
Thoel
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Replied On: 01/06/2013 at 12:00 AM PST

If you plan to make a seal for a person you can simply order superalloy, hardened madrosa, etc on the market place. Might I suggest to place orders for 1-2 boards at a time to expedite your order being filled? There is no need for you to feel like you personally have to provide every mat when crafting a item. This is why the market place was designed. For everyone to pitch in and help. I believe you have one week to make the seal for someone once they order it. That should be adequate time to get the madrosa and things you need to fill by ordering them on the market place. I make a lot of rings and things for the guild. I speak from experience and yes I have made seals as well.

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Tiarna de na Aracos Buí
Naay
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Replied On: 01/06/2013 at 07:31 AM PST

The player ordering can currently choose 'crafter provided' materials or 'player provided' materials. The 'player provided' option allows them to supply the materials to the crafter if desired. The cost to order in that case is greatly reduced, effectively just paying for labor. As a crafter, the easiest way to control your costs in filling orders is to order the materials on the marketplace yourself. This way you only use plat for vendor materials. Sure it may slow the process slightly. But it is more sustainable, you don't go broke. Others can contribute to the process by supplying the materials, earning points to spend themselves. And the more this is done the higher activity levels on the marketplace will draw even more to use it. Most trainer and recipe vendor recipes are already in the marketplace. Drops and rep recipes might not be. I cannot add them until I see them so if you get a recipe that isn't in the system and do not know how, or cannot add it yourself...I am happy to help you. Just ask. When I craft: I don't claim an order unless I can provide all the materials (unless player provided) to deliver quickly. Then I order replacement stock if needed using the marketplace. I make a note of if I am to wait for player provided augment and or materials on that order before claiming it. I do actually click 'claim' before crafting an item. (If you make it first then try to claim it, it might have already been claimed by someone else.) I cross my fingers that the player has the augment already when the order was placed. ;) I send them an in-game mail to remind them which of my characters to send the augment and if selected the player provided mats to. They get an automated mail, but this lets them know I'm ready for it. If they choose 'no augment' and the item is expensive I mail them to confirm it wasn't a mistake. I don't buy a new recipe to fill an order (anymore) until the augment and/or materials arrive just in case the order is cancelled. I do however buy new recipes so I can fill orders that are available. I double check that I'm crafting the correct item and quantity and using the correct augment before clicking that craft button. I double check the item(s) going in the mail, to make sure I'm sending out the right stuff and triple check who its being sent to before sending. (The Rift autotype feature has come close to burning me many times and I don't want to have to fill the order twice at my expense.) Last I go back to the marketplace to click "sent" that the item(s) were sent out. ** I remember that I'm here to have fun and I curtail my claiming of orders if I cannot afford to fill it at that time. Recognizing that we have many crafters and someone else will make it for them if I cannot. ** When I order: If I'm ordering something that uses an augment, I get the augment first. When I get the mail notice that my order is claimed I send the augment to the crafter named in the email, referring to the item that had been ordered. I send a thank you reply as a courtesy to the crafter so they know I got the item.

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Kelda
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Replied On: 01/06/2013 at 12:44 PM PST
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What I am having problems with getting is the purple mats to fill augment orders. Being a weaponsmith and armorsmith, the pristine leather scraps are killing me, and I usually don't get them when I do the daily quests. I have lots of marks for the recipes, and I'm buying the ones I see people wanting on the web site. I love filling orders, but yeah, it's frustrating right now.

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Bivrip
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Replied On: 01/06/2013 at 02:11 PM PST

The way I see it, is when the crafter provides the mats, they get more contribution and artisan points than when the buyer provides the mats. The reason for that is it costs the crafter more to make the item, so they get more credit in return. Personally, if I had the mats or plat to make an item, I would be posting the order as "buyer provides mats." I do not think it is right to ask for the buyer to provide plat/mats if the crafter is getting full "crafter provided mats" credit. That's not the way the system should work, and I have brought this up before in conversations with our leadership. I fully understand how much things cost. I too have been filling orders and it is draining my account, yet I am getting the premium amount of contribution/artisan points for filling these orders. That's the tradeoff, thats also why you get more contribution points: "Earned by donating and supplying members with much needed equipment for the battles ahead. Measure of one's willingness to give."

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Akkmed
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Replied On: 01/07/2013 at 02:30 PM PST
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Akkmed
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Replied On: 01/07/2013 at 02:37 PM PST
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i am willing to give, and do so almost daily. i give all the mats i have and farm, i do disagree with the coin cost tho. previously in classic crafting this worked well because 99 pct of the cost was farmed materials, wirh SL release its changed to much higher costs to crafter. to make a stellar keen augment i break 3 mauls, thats 30+ rhenium, madrosa and karthite i am gladly willing to donate. but its also 12p ea. thats 36p to make the augment, i did 3 this week and a 4th today, i am out 130 plat. i personally think that its unfair to expect the crafters to foot the bill with SL crafting. its just not the same as it was for classic. i feel that some how you should figure out a way to compensate the crafters if you exspect them be able to continue delivering high quality goods to those that need it.

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Bivrip
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Replied On: 01/08/2013 at 06:01 PM PST

I agree with you to a point, I have put out hundreds of plat on crafting items, but to me personally, its part of the giving and the sacrifice I am making to provide much needed items for family members. If anything the website rewards for certain items should be increased due to the cost of the materials. I for one would never ask a guild-mate to provide coin for an item they requested. As stated, when someone orders an item as "crafter provides mats" they are paying a much higher vault credit price for the item, and the rewards for the crafter are higher. If the person provides their own mats, they pay 10% of the regular cost, and the rewards for the crafter are 10% of normal. You get a huge premium in site rewards for providing all mats. Providing materials on the marketplace should not be looked at as economics, or buisiness, or "what am I getting out of this for what I am providing." It is a way to provide our fellow members with items they need. It should not be about compensation for your time or reimbursement. This is providing things to our fellows, not a paying job. On the flip side, plat is very easy to come by in storm legion. With the right farming location, I can make anywhere from 1.5p to 3p per minute of farming, and thats just getting hides and meat. While still a grind, the return on time spent farming is much higher than it was in classic.

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Caomhnoir de na Capall Bán
Thoel
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Replied On: 01/09/2013 at 09:50 AM PST

When accepting to fill a order for lets just say a ring? In no way are you ever required to place a augment on said item. You can ask the person to provide it and honestly? Thats exactly what I do. Now for augment makers? They can order the seperate mats that create the augments again saving themselves in the burden of the costs. Work smarter not harder my friends. Learning to use the market place can be a very strong tool when crafting. BIG things can be accomplished with pulling together. Biv? Amen brother. ^5

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Elegance
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Replied On: 01/10/2013 at 02:06 AM PST
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I think his point may be that without selling mats for plat, it might be hard to raise the money for vendor mats. I think a possible solution could be letting the vendor mats be orderable with FVC maybe. That should actually solve most of his issues I think! Since everything except those vendor mats can be ordered( correct me if they can).

» Edited on: 2013-01-10 02:06:52

» Edited on: 2013-01-10 02:07:08

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