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This weeks match-up: A few words of advice.

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Aingeal
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Posted On: 06/07/2013 at 07:05 PM
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This is what we've all been waiting for... Finally we won't spend countless hours bashing our chests up against JQ and BG this week. Instead, we got the top team from tier 2 and tier 3 in Tarnished Coast and Sea of Sorrows. Though, Sea of Sorrows is truly only the king of tier 4 but the new match-making system gives some strange rankins. Regardless, we need to make sure that we don't get overzealous this week and stick to our guns. Confidence is good, but in moderation. Most of all, keep is clean and enjoy having a new challenge for a week. Our job is to maintain top position in the predicated rankings by winning our match-up. Don't let what we've done before get in the way of what we still need to do. We can do this guys but it won't be an absolute breeze-by. Get ready for some scuffles, and get ready for some fun. I can't wait to see you guys out there this week.

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Jessica
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Replied On: 06/07/2013 at 07:16 PM PDT
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Heck yeah, I'm going be playing a lot of wvw this week:) See everyone on the fields of battle.

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Morigana
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Replied On: 06/07/2013 at 09:12 PM PDT

I agree with you Aingeal... Underestimating your enemy can lead to a dark, destructive path. There is absolutely nothing they would like better than to have one of their servers come out on top of us. I'm sure there is a lot of strategy being thrown out on just how to do that. I have all to often seen the better team (at least by record) come out on the bottom since they underestimated the other teams and took it for granted that they would win. We use to shout "We'll never be in T1".... and when we made it we shouted "Just do the best we can we'll never be top dog!" and now that we have made the top too many people are shouting "We can't be beat by a T2 or T3 team". All of those shouts are wrong.... history has proven it - and we proved two of them ourselves. The best thing for us is to just keep doing what we do - nothing more and nothing less.

» Edited on: 2013-06-07 21:15:09

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Ard Tiarna de na Iomproidh Bán
Aingeal
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Replied On: 06/08/2013 at 08:10 AM PDT
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Well, upon further review of the new match-making system, and something we really did pick up on last week if you paid any attention to Sea of Sorrows, brings up the point that we actually have to kick it up another notch just to not lose a bunch of points. This week we're the 'Tier 2' match-up, which means winning here isn't worth as much as winning 'Tier 1'. To keep up our score, we're going to have to annihilate the opponents. And I apologize right now for saying that, because that isn't what this group sets out to do, but that's the sad truth of the good changes coming from the new system. Just... make sure you keep your head on straight guys. We're going to need that this week.

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Replied On: 06/08/2013 at 08:23 AM PDT
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First place or last place doesnt matter. What matters is having fun. Blowouts areny much fun for any party involved. Remember tc when we were in t2? If we blow them out they will leave the field. Well end up having everything and nothing to do. Thats not fun for anyone. Lets not lose ourself in the quest for first place. We didnt get there by being hung up on being #1. Being #1 was a side effect of sor knowing how to have fun.

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Ard Tiarna de na Iomproidh Bán
Aingeal
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Replied On: 06/08/2013 at 10:56 AM PDT
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And I understand that Fog. My comments there were more to say that to hold onto what we've worked hard to obtain, is going to require a lot of work. And once again, I'm sorry if I offended or upset anybody. Not my intentions. I got out onto the battlefield to do nothing more than have fun and I wouldn't want anyone to think otherwise because the moment WvW becomes something that I don't enjoy, I'll probably take a long break from it to say the least. I'm very excited to get out there and see new faces though.

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Ktzala
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Replied On: 06/08/2013 at 01:51 PM PDT
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We need to be blue again so I can finish my map completion, all I have left are 2 pois and 3 vistas from blue territories XD

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Aingeal
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Replied On: 06/08/2013 at 03:31 PM PDT
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Come get them. We've captured just about everything on every borderland. Color has no effect on that.

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Replied On: 06/09/2013 at 11:42 AM PDT
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Thank you! Now I am just missing 1 poi ^_^

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Ard Tiarna de na Iomproidh Bán
Aingeal
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Replied On: 06/09/2013 at 12:46 PM PDT
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Not a problem. From time to time, just take a look out there on the battlefield, especially on Fridays. By that time we've got our match-ups under control and are capturing just about every point on the map.

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Morigana
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Replied On: 06/09/2013 at 06:33 PM PDT

Ugh - I need to get my Engy and trample through EB to get it completed - it is the only WvWvW map I don't have. She's the one that is most complete at 80%. And yes - Fog is totally correct - having fun is the primary thing. And I remember him stating that numerous times when people would talk about T1 and we were "outclassed" *which we weren't... he would constantly say... "We're here to have fun - just have fun people!" AND we did :)

» Edited on: 2013-06-09 18:34:00

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Aingeal
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Replied On: 06/09/2013 at 07:08 PM PDT
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I would absolutely love to take a group into EB, because it intrigues me... The problem is there is almost always a queue for it and that makes it hard to get a force in, otherwise I would lead you guys straight into the pits of hell, or whatever you like to think of them as. So, try to get yourself in there sometime on a Friday, I think you'll find that you have luck then.

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Sekkerhund
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Replied On: 06/09/2013 at 08:56 PM PDT
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Fog got a lot of grief early on, from the hardcore guilds that had moved over to SoR, about his stance on "Gaiscioch plays for fun" attitude. They actually told him to stay out of certain maps during certain times, so our "events" would not mess with their attempts at winning the points race. They pretty much called us a bunch of PVE carebears who pretended to WvW and just caused queues that kept out the real WvW guilds. Fast forward to now, Fog stuck to his guns and the mantra of "just have fun", and SOR hit #1 WvW points leader, GSCH is considered equal to the top WvW guilds and SoR is the only server to have climbed to #1 and not imploded on itself. On top of that, his attitude as infected the entire WvW community, and now they all preach the importance of playing as a community and having fun. I have to give the guy some mad respect. He talked the talk and walked the walk and the game is a lot more fun as a result.

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Curadh de na Ulchabhan Donn
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Replied On: 06/10/2013 at 12:44 PM PDT
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This system needs some revisions. I'm not against a random element being introduced to keep the matches from getting stale but I would like to see it be applied with some forethought. There is something inherently unfair to all involved when the #1 ranked server falls down the ladder two weeks in a row despite winning both weeks decisively. Meanwhile, the #7 ranked server moves up the ladder two weeks in a row despite losing both weeks decisively, resulting in a very skewed Tier 2 matchup for this week of #1 v.s. #4 v.s. #7 - a week in which we have to dominate both opponents just to have a chance to hold on to our #1 ranking. It's not fair to SoR or SoS. TC is the only server properly slotted in Tier 2 for this week and even they are being rolled. I'd much rather be fighting BG and JQ again. A lot of us are using this as a down week because we're really not interested in running up the score. Remaining true to our competitive spirit is more important than retaining our #1 ranking. (Luckily it appears as though we'll hold on to it anyway.) I've been using this opportunity to grind up crafting, begin collecting components for my legendary, and work on my lowbie warrior. Another good use of this week is for aspiring WvW commanders to get out there and command. Get some experience in a low pressure environment. Build a rapport with the players on the field and get your name known. For a commander name recognition is important if you wish to rally the Rallians who are not on our Raidcall or TeamSpeak.

» Edited on: 2013-06-10 17:07:54

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Aingeal
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Replied On: 06/10/2013 at 02:42 PM PDT
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Well put Signal. Those are all good things that are resulting from this match-up but we do have to keep in mind how unfair it is. It's going to take a lot of tweaking for them to get this right, so I think it'll go away and be put into the vaults until a later date.

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Osu
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Replied On: 06/10/2013 at 05:28 PM PDT
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I feel sorry for our adversaries this week. Was running around in TC last night for a couple hours and NEVER got spiked the entire time. Some hooligans from SPQR actually had a row of ballistas on the top steps of north camp. Stuff like that just makes us look bad and encourages the other side to give up. Good to see TC and SoS haven't given up entirely.

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Aingeal
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Replied On: 06/10/2013 at 06:52 PM PDT
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Well... It's not unusual to set up some siege in the north camp if you aren't the home team and are trying to hold the camp for one reason or another, so I can definitely see it, especially since its a tactic that we've used before. That camp is tough to hold without the siege.

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Morigana
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Replied On: 06/11/2013 at 08:11 PM PDT

I really respect TC for that... a game is a game is a game.... I have R/L events to be serious about. That doesn't mean I don't try my best in WvWvW - I really love it... but I can't get all "in your face" about beating on other servers. What goes around, comes around. One of my favorite sayings... "The orchid does not have to tell anyone how sweet it smells or how lovely it looks. It just exists." To me... if your are good - really good - you don't have to brag about it or "emote" over it. You are just good. Put your blades and guns away and move on.

» Edited on: 2013-06-11 20:15:18

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Replied On: 06/11/2013 at 09:01 PM PDT
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Acadien, First, this is an online game with many youth playing. Taunting with emotes is going to happen, yes even on TC! Secondly, TC most certainly does have a zerg army, it's called Everything Purple [EP] and they've been out in force both nights I've zoned in to WvW this week. They're one scary blob and I think it's great! I love the ever-evolving art/science of large scale warfare. If I wanted small scale 10v10 then WvW would not be what I'd log in to. I do it specifically for the large scale fights. I think TC is a great server and because of that I would never try and diminish them by complaining about zergs, camping, and some emote usage. Please show us the same level of respect. =)

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Aingeal
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Replied On: 06/12/2013 at 04:22 AM PDT
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Well unfortunately Signal, big zergs may not be the travel style of choice in the very new future. Having the biggest force isn't always supposed to win you the battle and the devs are taking notice to that and are going to be making some changes that may give smaller groups that advantage... Of course, whether those small groups are 10, 15, 20, or even 25 or 30 people to get the best results, who knows yet. But I don't think we'll have 50-60 man zergs much longer.

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Replied On: 06/12/2013 at 07:19 AM PDT
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We'll see Aingeal. ArenaNet specifically designed WvW around large battles. From the minuscule amount of supply each person can carry to the downed state mechanic (meant to give larger, lesser organized groups an advantage) to every class having an AOE, everything about WvW is built around large scale combat. Amazingly, a decent sized portion of the player base is rejecting this and openly complaining about it. ArenaNet is therefore reacting. I hope they don't overreact but we'll just have to see. In every previous MMO that has had a large scale combat system (DAoC, Shadowbane, Warhammer Online, etc...), small, tightly knit, balanced groups always held a serious advantage over large "zergs" of unorganized players. In both DAoC and Warhammer Online, small groups wiping zergs 3-4X their size was a regular occurrence, even before the introduction of the epic armor crap that put the nail in WAR's coffin. ArenaNet studied this and wanted to balance things out - thus the downed state mechanic was designed. I think they hit the nail on the head with a good balance between the power of a zerg v.s. a well organized but smaller army. It pains me to think they're now going to mess with this but oh well, enough people complained.

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Aingeal
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Replied On: 06/12/2013 at 05:27 PM PDT
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ANet definitely wants to give small groups some kind of advantage that can be used to help them in combat against the larger zerg. I don't think that it's going to wreck the game. Just bring everybody to a more even level. But we will have to see how they handle it first.

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Replied On: 06/12/2013 at 10:32 PM PDT
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To Acadien: I see I was asking too much. Troll? ROFL! For me to respond in kind would be to break the "blades out, not in" rule, thus I'll simply move on. Good luck to you Sir. Aingeal, I hope you're correct. I'm not convinced that anything needs to be leveled but we'll just wait and see. =)

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Aingeal
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Replied On: 06/13/2013 at 05:41 AM PDT
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I agree man. It'll be difficult for them not to break the balance with this thing, but I'm really, really hoping that they don't and are able to give the small groups something to 'fight back' with against the huge zergballs that people have begun to roll everyone with.

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