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PvE in WvW - Request

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Foghladha
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Posted On: 09/30/2012 at 05:01 PM
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Greetings Everyone,

I want to ask that if you are planning to form up a group for PvE content in the WvW lakes and do not intend on helping our server achieve some kind of resistance or force, to please take it to the PvE world rather than WvW until the time comes when the server queue's are not an issue.

I've seen a lot of PvE objectives getting tagged into WvW event containers in our event system and while yes there are crafting nodes and pve objectives to do, in this moment we have such strife to even get onto that battlefield to defend our realm. Please don't eat up one of those slots if you do not intend to fight in the war. Once the Queue's are no longer an issue I will gladly welcome everyone to do the PvE / Crafting content but for now we need Warriors on the battlefield, not craftsmen and beast hunters.

If you want to form a small group to kill doylaks and try to capture supply points for the raid force then please be active and let the person trying to lead the assault know what your up to. Be respectful and understand that your presence out there is preventing someone else form being there. Make sure your using that slot to it's fullest. 

Thanks,

 

Foghladha

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Caomhnoir de na Fhiaigh Gorm
Mulch
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Replied On: 10/01/2012 at 06:51 PM PDT

I'm gonna throw this out -- this weekend I went in with a group of 3 some of the time we were 4. No one gave anything constructive or useful when I proffered help in /t. So we went and got skill points and vistas and pois, which I'm guessing is what you're calling PvE, took a supply camp and a couple sentries. We did take several objectives, but basically turned a blind eye to map and team chat (cuz quite honestly it looked like same ranting trolls that talk in Rift's warfronts, WAR's scenarios, etc.) I'll happily team-player when the guild's organizing something. But if there's nothing but blather and abuse, we'll just be killing dolyaks and sentries until the conversation matures. There IS a section of pvp that's controlled and designed for you to select your team. WvW on the other hand is a big sandbox. Please don't tell me I'm not welcome.

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Replied On: 10/01/2012 at 09:29 PM PDT
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Gaiscioch has a reputation of community support, it hurts our reputation and our relationship with our community to ignore calls for help when we're taking up spots in wvw.

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Replied On: 10/01/2012 at 09:59 PM PDT
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Im more concerned with the Centaur farming teams. People who have no interest in doing ANYTHING to help our men and women going blue in the face trying to turn the tide of this war. There are lots of area's to PvE. Until the Queue gets sorted out let display our kindness and allow those Queue's to be filled with people who WANT to fight for our namesake.

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Replied On: 10/02/2012 at 10:33 AM PDT
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Also i'm a little disheartened that this is an issue to begin with. Are we so "Me" focused that we've lost sight of who the GAISCIOCH are? Just because something can be done doesn't make it the right thing to do. People are hurting for WvW action, waiting hours on end just to get a taste, yet "We're Entitled to be here because ArenaNet put PvE content in WvW". Seriously, you can't take a little while off to let ArenaNet sort out the Queueing issues to let the people who want to be there to fight WvW be there? Thats not who we are as a family.

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Caomhnoir de na Fhiaigh Gorm
Mulch
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Replied On: 10/02/2012 at 11:03 AM PDT

Specifically Fog, when my group went, there was no queue. There was no guild presence, no commander on field, and we took no slots from anyone to be there. My group was doing stuff related to the mission. We also got a couple vistas while we were there, POIs and whatnot. And I made an effort to /t, but there was no communication back that was at all helpful. I wasn't being the "me." I was just not able to find any "we" to be part of. If you (meaning the people arguing in /t) are not gonna help organize my group into their efforts, we're gonna just do the best we can on our own. I think any GSCH who goes to a SoR map is going there hoping to be productive and have fun. Myself, I won't suffer a queue (largely because I can't keep connected long enough to make it a good risk I'll get thru in primetime). But when I'm there, I WANT to get things done like anyone else, get those gold stars and whatnot. What I'm trying to say is that I don't think nubs are being nubs in a deliberate effort to foul the team's efforts. We're being nubs because we lack direction, and the climate in /t doesn't help us find direction. Edit: I think this is really the crux of it to me. If you don't think I'm being helpful, tell me what to do that might be helpful. A positive message. Don't tell me what not to do, that I'm doing it wrong, cuz I still don't know what to do. And don't tell me not to play - bring me into the community instead of dividing us.

» Edited on: 2012-10-02 11:12:37

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Replied On: 10/02/2012 at 11:29 AM PDT
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Thats fine Mulch. I was receiving reports from other GM's that we had large groups of us farming the centaur camp and when approached about it the Gaiscioch responded that the karma was the best in the game in that location. There was at least 10 of us sitting there for hours on end farming those Centaurs. That is what this post is about.

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Caomhnoir de na Fhiaigh Gorm
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Replied On: 10/02/2012 at 12:12 PM PDT

Ok gotcha, thank you. Honestly, I didn't know til now that the centaurs don't contribute to our score. But neither does it seem like a fun thing to farm. Does the middle island and quaggan's contribute to score, or is it just fluff, too?

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Replied On: 10/02/2012 at 12:35 PM PDT
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The Quaggan's can help add extra damage to the battle in our favor. It is useful to keep them under our banner. They key is contribute the best you can if your out there. It's not easy explaining why we have groups of our people refusing to participate in the war yet hogging up the queue slots to our allies.

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Replied On: 10/03/2012 at 03:37 AM PDT
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I would also put forth that if there's no real organization to be had, you could always attempt to take the initiative and organize a concentrated effort. Ignore the ragers and haters; they will always be present. I personally ask politely (including please) for them to stop raging/etc. (I love to say "Blades out, guys." now XD) If someone can't regain their calm, just block them and don't get caught up in their negativity. A few gentle nudges coupled with positive reinforcement ("great job on XXXXX guys!") can go a long way toward organizing random folk.

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Replied On: 10/03/2012 at 08:22 AM PDT
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Good point Cedar, for every person that is out there being vocal and negative you can bet there are 10 who are saying nothing and looking for a positive helpful voice in the crowd to rally with.

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Replied On: 10/07/2012 at 09:48 PM PDT
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Just curious if they have done anything to reduce the queue times in WvW. I played for the first 2 weeks and they were 5+ hours a night long. I pretty much havent played at all since then cause the couple times i have been on the queue lasts longer than the time i have to play. WvW literally was the selling point for this game to me and i cant do it ever. Rift may not be the best at the PvP/RvR but atleast i get to get out there and fight.

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Replied On: 10/08/2012 at 12:47 AM PDT
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Fog can I get some clarification that we ARE/AREN'T allowed to log Krait, Ogres, Quaggan and Dredge on our events if we capture them in our WvW campaigns? I understand Centaur/Puzzles/PvE as they do not contribute to the campaign, but the mercenary camps actually do contribute and I regularly capture them when making assaults into enemy territory.

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Replied On: 10/08/2012 at 05:11 AM PDT
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Queues don't seem as bad, but are still definitely there for NA prime time and especially if we are coming out in force. I suggest you find out who else is stuck in queue and try another map to coordinate with the lead because then you can be causing mayhem in yet another spot to possibly keep them wondering which map to defend. Divide and conquer them by being united even if on different maps. =) As for the people that actually did not help when asked, obviously your actions get back to Fog and the eldership. Why? This guild works hard in every game to be a helpful and positive community supporter to the point of doing events to get people involved even outside the family. So remember that your actions impact the entire guild's reputation and since we make a community presence, people learn pretty quickly in a game how to contact our leader and elders to point out things. Or they troll it on the forums to make people hate us as much as they do. On a more personal note we have what we have in GW2 because ArenaNet knows our reputation. You put a smudge on our reputation, you are also putting a smudge on Roger Rall. An awesome member we lost who the server is named after and who ArenaNet even put in the game as Rall Oldroar, who you can learn about from the Historian Goshkia in the Black Citadel. That Historian is on every server, too. So really think about how you are acting out there because you are impacting a LOT of people and a lot of past memories. Including those that know us from DAoC and Warhammer, both from several years ago. There are even the guilds from Warhammer on other servers that when they fight us on the field they expect a good and fair fight to make it all the more challenging.

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Replied On: 10/08/2012 at 07:13 AM PDT
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To the crux of the point i agree with Fog and would add that if you as a member see centaur farming happening by any gsch member pls talk with them first and let them know not to do that. If you, as a member of gsch, get a negative response from a family member then that is something to bring up to elders/fog. They can handle it from there. Remember to handle all this is /w and not muddy gchat with something the rest of us don't need to know about. I read the forums every day, not every post but stuff i think looks interesting. I know also that not everybody in the guild reads the forums. I still see people in gchat that don't realize we have an event calendar or still dont' know how to "rank up" in the guild, all of which is covered here on the site. Maybe something in game to remind people of the "no farming pve in wvw" would help people not do it anymore until anet sorts out the queue system. Remember family first here and clear communication is key.

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Replied On: 10/08/2012 at 09:56 AM PDT
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What is the family's view on doing the jumping during off peak (non queue) hours to acquire siege blueprints? I've been trying to do them when I get home from work to be able to provide siege during peak hours and still save up for all the exotic gear I still need. I don't ever go their during peak hours as it uses a slot and is less efficient than PvE farming anyway. But during off peak hours I have been able to finish all 3 minor puzzles and the EB one in about 30 minutes, which is a lot of siege for the time investment. But obviously if the family frowns upon this I don't want to hurt the cause.

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Replied On: 10/08/2012 at 10:30 AM PDT
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If your going to do jumping puzzles in WvW just try to do them in small groups not a giant zerg. The less people fighting the worse off we're going to be. This is mostly talking to those that were sitting on the centrars in bulk "farming karma"

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Replied On: 10/08/2012 at 03:15 PM PDT
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Acadien, it's a matter of courtesy and respect which is at the very foundation of our family. Taking up slots in WvW while others are waiting hours to get in so that you can farm Karma is not something we wish to be known for. If you think Courtesy and Respect aren't part of the Gaiscioch Way you seriously need to go look at the Registration page again because it's right there in the very first commitment you make.

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Replied On: 10/08/2012 at 03:37 PM PDT
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Ok, lets take a step back and try to read what I said again. I never said you were lacking courtesy and respect. What I said was that this is an ACT that lacks courtesy and respect. It would be like waiting in unemployment line with all your friends so you could ask where the bathroom is. People are dying to get in and play yet your hogging up a slot for your own selfish well being while hurting all of those around you. All im asking is that until the Queue issue becomes a non issue lets please put our best foot forward and let those that want to WvW take the slot to play.

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Replied On: 10/08/2012 at 05:49 PM PDT
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In order to maintain a harmonious server environment on Sanctum of Rall I personally feel that is better to avoid confrontation with the other guilds in this matter. We are a big family and when there are limited places in WvW we will only ruffle feathers if we go into WvW en masse to PvE centaurs. I don't think this is an unreasonable request, there is a huge world full of PvE content and we hold gathering events weekly. On the topic of jumping puzzles during off peak, I don't see an issue. We don't have any queues after midnight PST and those of us that are active in WvW are organised enough to do what is required to hold our own off-peak. Puzzle time is beneficial to WvW for the siege blueprints. Centaurs have no impact on WvW but do impact our reputation with the server if we go there with 20 or more players. Our family values haven't changed in the three years I've been here. We are courteous not only to each other but to the whole server community. If the gaiscioch enforced "play how you want, when you want" without regard to other players on our server then we would be no different than Goons.

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Replied On: 10/08/2012 at 07:39 PM PDT

Well said Elthurien. Fog's request was as a result of other guilds on the server complaining about an organised larger group PVE farming in WvW. You really need to have been playing on SOR and having knowledge of the full facts of the matter and the impact on the WvW community on our server to get an accurate picture of the both the issue and the solution decided upon. In the same way as we do not ever support exploits, or trolling, we also respond positively to polite reasoned requests from other guilds asking us to assist with WvW in a wider community sense. We also discussed this at length with our elders and got a consensus, which was unanimous, and resulted in Fog's request. This was not something done hastily or in a totalitarian or mandatory fashion. We gained a plethora of opinion from various quarters and went with it. In some instances, to protect our guild reputation, ethos and credos, we make decisions. When you sign up as a member you are entering into a voluntary social contract which is pretty simple in design. We ask that you respect the decisions of the leadership, when to not do so would threaten our reputation and standing within the wider gaming communuty. We rarely make such requests, and tbh this seems to have been blown out of proportion. The request certainly was not designed to bully the individual, but rather as a broad statement of our WvW policy. To suggest otherwise indicates that perhaps a full understanding of the issues, implications and consequences has not been reached. Thank you to those who have taken this on the chin and run with it, your support is greatly appreciated by us all. I would like to move on from this, and focus on what we can do to defeat the opposing servers, and have some fun whilst doing so!

» Edited on: 2012-10-08 19:59:12

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